17 thoughts on “Eavesdropper

  • November 30, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Oh Riley, you don’t know? He’s mysterious-ranger-who-gives-advice-man, of course, geez.

  • November 30, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Hey… That looks like… ME!

  • November 30, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    I even do archery. :O

  • November 30, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Hm, he’s more calm then I would be. I’d be like “Gah! How long have you been behind those boxes?!”

  • November 30, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Then again, if it turns out the girl you were intending to ask to prom night actually created a time travel device that subsequently took you to a different universe, you might not be as easily suprised as you were before. On a related note, doesn’t El realize that by attempting to SAVE Riley through time travel she is the reason he’s going to die? The future is self-fulfilling prophecy after all… ever notice how the characters in sci-fi settings have never read a sci-fi book or seen a sci-fi movie?

  • December 1, 2010 at 12:45 am

    The self fulfilling prophecy theory is only one of many theories of time travel. This story takes place in a multiverse, so that, most likely, eliminates a universe in which Novikov self-consistency principle applies, that being one in which there is only one history that can not be changed. That is, unless the universes within the multiverse follow this rule and the introduction of “new matter” from another universe allows for unusual time manipulation. If it’s a plastic time universe(most likely at this point), that being one where history can change, but not create new timelines, then it all depends on whether it is elastic time or not, i.e. if time can “fix” itself if only trivial things are changed and changing major events prove difficult. The branching timeline theory is not so likely, considering the state of the universe they’re in now, but we’ll see. Whatever the case, he can probably be saved.

  • December 1, 2010 at 12:46 am

    (I warned y’all ’bout my awareness of time travel theories.)

  • December 1, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Genre Savvy heroes are always a bit hard to pull off, sadly.

    That said, there -are- plenty of ways in which the ‘self fulfilling prophecy’ could come true without ever having a direct effect on our protagonist’s world lines. I won’t list them though, because it would be a half-assed rehash of what Sushi Boy said.

  • December 1, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I, like Aniki, am well versed in the time travel theories, but certainly not as well as him. For now, my theory on the current situation, resides in the fact that multidimensional travel does exist. The theory stating… due to the fact that inter-dimensional can be executed, as well as intra-dimensional, it must be assumed that this multiverse is not one of infinite possibilities, and/or it is not one in which connections can be made between all of them to every other. This can be stated by the logic of a, “what if” universe. This being, “what if there was a universe that invented a multiverse destroyer, or a universe of omnipotent beings that wished to invade all other universes.” Abiding by these indefinite ground rules,we can say that the multiverse is one that in which there are limitations to acts of “logic,” but not necessarily so that there can not be room for omnipotent interpretation/ interference, or loop holes existing outside of what has so far been PERCEIVED as logic. This is all a fancy way of saying, “you don’t know until you find out.” The very nature of a multiverse, is that possibilities MAY exist beyond or withheld inside of the comprehension or observation of a none omnipotent observer.

  • December 1, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Upon re-reading my second post, I realized it could potentially be taken as a slam against the author. Don’t worry, I <3 your characters, don't let me interfere with your creative drive!

  • December 1, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Ah yes… The concept of a multiverse in which infinite universes exist defies logic itself, certainly. But there is a theory of time travel that may apply to mutiverse travel that could prevent the paradox. This law is that, for persons and/ or objects that travel through time, there are laws of physics that are only applicable in that instance, for example, rejecting time travelers who travel to the past to change it by pulling them back to the point from when they came. A time ricochet, if you will. This could apply to multiverse travel, in that it is nigh impossible to travel between them, but like time travel, you just have to know how to bend physics the right way to do it. After all, there appears to be a multiverse travel restriction, whatever that means:
    None the less, an infinite mutiverse is extraordinarily complicated to get right. When trying to explain a loophole or paradox, there’s almost always self referential logic involved, and, in the end, is hardly worth the trouble. The fact that there is an agency involved in time travel eliminates (with two EXTREMELY specific exceptions) the possibility of a self-consistent universe and severely lessens the likelihood of mutable timelines, which, to an observer, would be indistinguishable from a self-consistent universe. Although, more accurately, one should say that it is a mutable multiverse which is less likely, as a single universe may have its own laws, while the multiverse as a whole has different ones. This also raises questions of if, for example, there were visitors from one universe to another, and in the future, the visited universe time travels to alter the past of before the visit, what would the visitors have experienced? Seeing as the multiverse seems to have been in existence, independent of the time travelers, beforehand, it is probably not a multiverse formed from a single branching universe. It is almost certainly a plastic universe, but whether it is elastic or not may determine Riley’s fate. The perdestination theory, does not apply, because that would make it a self-consistent universe, although elastic time compensates for that. For those who may not quite understand, elastic time is the reason you can’t go back and shoot Hitler, but you could shoot a homeless man. Time resists major change, but has very little resistence to minor changes, because it can “bounce back” much more easily this way, hence “elastic”. But given a non-elastic, plastic, non-many-worlds, non-infinite universe, multiverse, the timespace curves of any given universe will still be set as having an end state, so even then, changing Riley’s death has a 50/50 chance of being preventable, depending on if this is the end state that we’ve seen so far, or the origin state. Even with that in mind, we haven’t actually ~seen~ Riley dead, so there may be more to that part of the story.

    All in all, the nature of the multiverse may never even be fully explained, so we’ll just have to wait to find out what we’re getting.

  • December 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Woah… TLDR? That is one big wall-o-text.

  • December 2, 2010 at 2:05 am

    Sushi, your rants are interesting, but do you think you could possibly condense them? Although I don’t know how you’d do it. So basically I’m here to criticize but not offer any other valid solutions.

  • December 2, 2010 at 6:20 am

    That guy… he looks like me o3o
    Not as much as an other guy in another webcomic, but he does XD

    I believe I will like this character! He already looks awesome :p

  • December 2, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Lol sounds like the equivalent of Aragorn with a bow, should prove interesting

  • December 2, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    This has to be the most epic comment string evar! Thank you guys for all the awesome comments. And don’t sweat it Shin…I take no offense. Just happy you are taking the time to make a comment.

    Just in case you guys are interested I made a Forum topic to cover ATM Speculations which can include Multiverse theories 😉 http://forums.darkstar-studios.com/index.php?topic=164.0 for more in depth stuff if you guys are interested. Eitherway is fine with me :)

  • December 2, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    KK. and by the way, (sushi) Some of the things you “added”, were explained by me, but VERY briefly. Such as the exceptions of the “what if” universe, and different operations of different universe’s physics and logic.
    I do want to say that a multiverse may also hold within it, segregation. Universes like our are three dimensional, and it is popular belief that thee are more dimensions. If this is true, the multiverse must be omni-dimensional. In this a connection can be made between any two points in space and time, and make room for it, both in the sense it can contain loopholes, and breaks in logic, and that any damage it might incur, will be mute, as it will be “elastic” in every possible direction to make way for it.

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